![]() ![]() So to build on that with more story, more arc, more background, every time you revisit them, it becomes easier. “I’ve played this character for so long I know him inside and out. “But once you get that call, it’s sort of like Christmas morning,” says Stan. True to their characters’ military origins, there is a feeling of being on permanent standby, always ready to be called up for another mission. But neither felt “done” with Marvel, they say. Both actors have done good work in between: Stan in The Martian and I, Tonya Mackie in Detroit and The Hate U Give. It must be a weird thing to be playing the same characters on and off for the best part of a decade, especially in the secretive world of an open-ended mega-franchise such as Marvel. Ex-military types might recognise this condition as “demob-happy”. They continue mocking each other until both are collapsed in laughter. ![]() What’s the worst that could happen? You could get chased by a wild boar.” Stan: “Just you and I, having an overnight fire, camping … ” Stan: “He’ll be like: ‘Keep going, don’t worry, a little further,’ and I’ll be like: “Why do I feel like he’s gonna shoot me in the back?’ Like that scene in Goodfellas.”īrothers in arms. “I think it would be amazing for Sebastian to just sit in the wilderness and think about everything that’s going on.” “It’s a bone of contention that he won’t let me take him fishing,” Mackie admits. Although Anthony did invite me to come fishing with him.” His voice cracks into a groan: “And I know that I have to do that, at some point.” “We’re never really in the same city,” says Stan. Stan mocks Mackie for his incessant cigar-smoking on set Mackie ribs Stan about his antisocial tendencies, and the fact that his Winter Soldier arm prop (basically a metal-effect sleeve) is “the most disgusting thing in the history of cinema”. If nothing else, they have learned to laugh at each other. Mackie is at his home in New Orleans, in what looks like a sports bar. His generic Zoom background is of a tropical beach. “They’re cut from different cloth, so to speak, and have to find a way to coexist and work together,” says Stan, “and to some extent, that’s what Anthony and I have had to do for the last seven years or whatever we’ve been working together.” In the time-honoured buddy tradition, Mackie’s Falcon and Stan’s Winter Soldier are initially reluctant partners, to the extent they can’t even agree to call themselves partners. Hot on the heels of the well-received WandaVision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is a doubling down, with a reported budget of $25m per episode – almost twice as expensive as The Crown. Having held the movie world’s attention with the Avengers saga, Marvel is gambling on doing the same on the small screen. Now, in the absence of Evans, they are back for a six-part Disney+ series that seeks to continue not just their stories but the whole Marvel machine. ![]() Mackie’s winged war veteran Sam Wilson entered the story at that stage, and both characters soldiered through numerous Marvel campaigns ( Ant-Man, Black Panther, Captain America: Civil War) before being vaporised at the end of Avengers: Infinity War. He supposedly died in that movie, only to return as Captain America’s brainwashed, metal-armed nemesis The Winter Soldier in 2014. Bucky Barnes made his entrance as Cap’s wartime comrade in 2011’s Captain America: The First Avenger. In the Marvel movies, both characters were always in the shadow of Chris Evans’s Captain America – two Hooches to his Turner. The last two, if not the first, apply to Mackie and Stan’s double act The Falcon and The Winter Soldier. Or, increasingly, they come back for their own small-screen spin-off. Or they miraculously survive the incident that supposedly killed them off. Old superheroes never die they just get recast. “He went too far with Turner and Hooch”, reckons Mackie. “Oh man, I gotta rewatch that movie now,” says Stan. That’s the perfect description of who we are.”įor the uninitiated, in the 1989 comedy, Turner was a detective played by Tom Hanks and Hooch was a big, unruly dog. ![]() By this stage, Mackie is laughing his head off in a separate Zoom window: “We’re definitely the Turner and Hooch of the Marvel Universe. ![]()
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